I had that happen one time. The company wanted me fired for the multiple ways I insulted the ‘book ignorance’ of the white hat but my supervisor stood up solid for me, knowing that I was doing my job the best, efficient way.
I walked around with my chin at an arrogant angle for the rest of the white hats visit.
A friend of mine worked for a company who did the electrical to update airports all over the country. He said the worst engineers to deal with were women fresh out of college, then men fresh out of college. They were insecure in themselves and so full of “this is how it has to be done”. I’ve been welding and doing fabrication for as long as I can remember without an engineering degree but with a common sense degree and I encountered fresh out of college male engineer who told me how to weld in a support beam. His way was absolutely ridiculous and counter to what the owner wanted. When he left the owner told me to do it the way I wanted to do it and the snotty one later came back and told me I didn’t do it the way he said. I told him that I didn’t work for him and the owner was happy with what I’d done. End of complaint and end of him telling me how to do things.
interviewed with a woman boss and she asked me if it bothered me to work for a woman. i told her no, i am smarter than you so it will work out. i didnt get the job.
Well, you were smarter than her, and it certainly did work out, since you didn’t have to suffer the bullshit and indignity of working for her. There you go. Women may be drawn to a capable, self confident man. But they sure don’t want one working for them, and challenging their bossy bitch superiority complex. Gotta have pushovers and yes men to keep the peace. Fuck that noise. As with so many others of my generation, my first job in high school was in retail. May as well have called it clipboard Karen hell. Never again. If I reach a point of being physically incapable of doing what I do now, I’ll become a criminal mastermind.
One of my observations during my working career was that affirmative action was always accompanied by a proliferation of clipboards.
It can work out right if the white hat is smart enough.
About 20 years ago American refineries were scrambling to install enough sulfur removal capacity to meet new diesel fuel requirements. I was an engineering prof at a small college near where some of that construction work was being done, and I happened to walk past a temporary HR office of an engineering and construction firm in a strip mall. I stopped in and offered my help as a route to local engineering talent. The guy manning the desk said they were looking for crafts, mostly welders, but he took my card.
A couple days later I got a call from him. They wanted a summer hire to check ongoing construction to be sure it conformed to the drawings. Did I have a student to recommend? I did; an older gal who was just finishing her junior year, mid to late twenties, two kids, married to a teacher, had the smarts and maturity to work with craftsmen and their supervisors her parents’ age. She got the job for the summer. At the end of the summer, the firm wanted to know how many hours she could give them during her final year of school; I think she fit in 10-15 hours a week. At graduation she got an engineering job offer from them. She’s now their regional manager for process engineering over an area that has about 5% of the nation’s refining capacity plus considerable chemical and other processing industries.
For the right white hat, it can work well.
I worked for an electric utility many years ago. Seems like every summer we got a bunch of new engineering graduates who would get hired right out of school. They were a general PITA.
One day a new clipboarder showed up on the jobsite where an old Irishman was the crew chief. 40 years of splicing cable. In the middle of them drawing pictures and telling us how we should do our jobs the old Irishman snatched away his clip board and drew a circle in the middle of the page and handed it back to him. The young engineer looked and said “What’s that?” In his heavy brogue the Irishman looked at him and said “I can draw pictures too. That’s an asshole. I drew it, now you make it shit”
Never saw him on another site
That’s the chicks who built that walk bridge down in Florida a few years ago
Yep, you had to have the XL aluminum clipboard having storage for common conversions, formulas, a protractor, triangle, set of colored pencils, stickers from appropriate vendors or services in the oil patch or well drilling industry, and have multi-colored jokes memorized.
I still have mine.
A smart man once told me “when you’re young, keep your eyes and ears open and your mouth shut”. Stood me in good stead even as I got older.
I had to age a little before I figured out to listen to the old timers. Then life was grand.
Old Age and Craftiness beats Youth and Enthusiasm ANY day!
I had that happen one time. The company wanted me fired for the multiple ways I insulted the ‘book ignorance’ of the white hat but my supervisor stood up solid for me, knowing that I was doing my job the best, efficient way.
I walked around with my chin at an arrogant angle for the rest of the white hats visit.
A friend of mine worked for a company who did the electrical to update airports all over the country. He said the worst engineers to deal with were women fresh out of college, then men fresh out of college. They were insecure in themselves and so full of “this is how it has to be done”. I’ve been welding and doing fabrication for as long as I can remember without an engineering degree but with a common sense degree and I encountered fresh out of college male engineer who told me how to weld in a support beam. His way was absolutely ridiculous and counter to what the owner wanted. When he left the owner told me to do it the way I wanted to do it and the snotty one later came back and told me I didn’t do it the way he said. I told him that I didn’t work for him and the owner was happy with what I’d done. End of complaint and end of him telling me how to do things.
interviewed with a woman boss and she asked me if it bothered me to work for a woman. i told her no, i am smarter than you so it will work out. i didnt get the job.
Well, you were smarter than her, and it certainly did work out, since you didn’t have to suffer the bullshit and indignity of working for her. There you go. Women may be drawn to a capable, self confident man. But they sure don’t want one working for them, and challenging their bossy bitch superiority complex. Gotta have pushovers and yes men to keep the peace. Fuck that noise. As with so many others of my generation, my first job in high school was in retail. May as well have called it clipboard Karen hell. Never again. If I reach a point of being physically incapable of doing what I do now, I’ll become a criminal mastermind.
One of my observations during my working career was that affirmative action was always accompanied by a proliferation of clipboards.
It can work out right if the white hat is smart enough.
About 20 years ago American refineries were scrambling to install enough sulfur removal capacity to meet new diesel fuel requirements. I was an engineering prof at a small college near where some of that construction work was being done, and I happened to walk past a temporary HR office of an engineering and construction firm in a strip mall. I stopped in and offered my help as a route to local engineering talent. The guy manning the desk said they were looking for crafts, mostly welders, but he took my card.
A couple days later I got a call from him. They wanted a summer hire to check ongoing construction to be sure it conformed to the drawings. Did I have a student to recommend? I did; an older gal who was just finishing her junior year, mid to late twenties, two kids, married to a teacher, had the smarts and maturity to work with craftsmen and their supervisors her parents’ age. She got the job for the summer. At the end of the summer, the firm wanted to know how many hours she could give them during her final year of school; I think she fit in 10-15 hours a week. At graduation she got an engineering job offer from them. She’s now their regional manager for process engineering over an area that has about 5% of the nation’s refining capacity plus considerable chemical and other processing industries.
For the right white hat, it can work well.
I worked for an electric utility many years ago. Seems like every summer we got a bunch of new engineering graduates who would get hired right out of school. They were a general PITA.
One day a new clipboarder showed up on the jobsite where an old Irishman was the crew chief. 40 years of splicing cable. In the middle of them drawing pictures and telling us how we should do our jobs the old Irishman snatched away his clip board and drew a circle in the middle of the page and handed it back to him. The young engineer looked and said “What’s that?” In his heavy brogue the Irishman looked at him and said “I can draw pictures too. That’s an asshole. I drew it, now you make it shit”
Never saw him on another site
That’s the chicks who built that walk bridge down in Florida a few years ago
Yep, you had to have the XL aluminum clipboard having storage for common conversions, formulas, a protractor, triangle, set of colored pencils, stickers from appropriate vendors or services in the oil patch or well drilling industry, and have multi-colored jokes memorized.
I still have mine.
A smart man once told me “when you’re young, keep your eyes and ears open and your mouth shut”. Stood me in good stead even as I got older.
I had to age a little before I figured out to listen to the old timers. Then life was grand.
Old Age and Craftiness beats Youth and Enthusiasm ANY day!