Seems to me that if they made it to the moon they would be strip mining it by now. And I remember a while back that I heard some “official” say that they were trying to build a rocket that would make it to the moon. Why don’t they upgrade the one they already used ? I don’t know. I feel like they either lied about it or they did make it and have been going there ever since and not talking about it. Hard to get the truth about anything any more. It’s a small fuckin’ club and we aint in it.
There’s a lot to it. They decided to make it a 1 off thing to get to the moon. No infrastructure to build more of them. The we decided to build the space shuttles, which were huge and couldn’t make it to the moon. Now we’re trying again. More infrastructure this time around. But your last couple of sentences are spot on. I studied this stuff in school and know we could make it to the moon, even in the 60s, but I don’t believe much of anything anymore.
Orbital Science’s Cygnus spacecraft costs about $43,180 per pound into space. SpaceX does it the cheapest at $27,000 per pound. And that’s just to space — not to the moon.
If you’re strip mining the moon, you probably don’t want the material just on the moon, but either back on earth or somewhere else in space (we’re not living on the moon, no need for more material there). That means you have to launch the fuel to the moon that will be used to launch the material off the moon.
I can’t think of anything that is worth that amount of money that can be acquired by strip mining the moon.
And these same logistical problems apply to mining mineral rich asteroids, yet talk of such pie in the sky ideas continues. It’d be great if it ever became practical to do so, but it would require a breakthrough of the sort I don’t think we are capable of any longer, for that to happen.
Space exploration has been a wasted effort, given we can’t even get shit right here on earth. The most intelligent and capable of our species will not be allowed to leave the marginal behind and start a new world populated only by those capable of excellence. That made a nice plot device for Hugo Drax in Moonraker (although he intended to recolonize earth, giving it a different twist), but the stupid politics of our time wouldn’t even consider not crippling any effort to colonize another planet by forcibly sending along unneeded and unwanted diversity to drag down the effort.
This is even more pointlessly stupid than saying it’s faked because you can’t see stars in the pictures, or the shadows “don’t look right.” It’s faked because someone did a publicity stunt?
Soooo, six brain dead bimbo’s spent 11 minutes riding in a fully automated capsule which just barely touched the edge of space; I wouldn’t begin to call that thing a space ship, and now they’re astronauts? Not only no, FUCK NO.
if they went there in the sixties, why is it taking so long to get back there? hell boeing couldn’t even make it to low earth orbit and back w/o being rescued by elon.
Because we only went to the moon in the first place because of politics, to beat the soviets. Once we did that public support, and public money, dropped off FAST. Can anyone tell me, without looking it up, the names of the last two men to walk on the moon? That would be Apollo 17. I know, but I’m a weird space nut and have been since 1968, when I was 4. Apart from scientifically there is nothing on the moon that we can’t get here, so we really have no reason to go. And before someone brings up Helium-3, there is just not enough on the lunar surface to make it economically viable to mine. But as far as how to get any mined materials back to earth (Unferth), I’d suggest reading “The Moon is a Harsh Mistress” by Robert Heinlein. It’s not hard. And we could also make rocket fuel out of ice that is found at the moon’s south pole. Add electricity and you have hydrogen and oxygen. Put them back together with a spark and you have thrust.
Sorry, all you “fake moonshot”-ers. It really DID happen, and the reason we did not go back until now is that we ran out of political will to do it again. There are myriad reasons, most of ’em political, some of ’em social, some monetary. We proved it can be done, then fell asleep because the Great Unwashed Masses kept bleating about the cost and how it would be better to piss it away on useless Great Society programs. And we still have the poor amongst us. MORE, even !
Burns my chaps to think of where we would be with exploration now if we had just kept up the programs, even reduced. But nooooooooo, we had to blow it on Welfare because rockets don’t vote and people (and especially the Lamestream Media) didn’t realize the principles of serendipity and bread cast upon the waters. Lots and lots of everyday good things have come from the research done in the Space Program!
We are shortsighted, we are. And now we are a bunch of ignoramuses.
2001: A Space Odyssey was designed by Kubrick and his scientific advisors as a realistic look at space travel if we’d kept the pace we had in the mid 60’s. A huge lunar base by the mid 80’s, a wheel-shaped space station by the 90’s with artificial spin gravity and manned travel to the outer planets by 2001. If only. I thought Skylab was a good start, back in the early to mid 70’s. And Pete Conrad had balls the size of church bells to do what he did to extend the solar panels. We almost lost an astronaut doing that…
I think this one is silly, but…
I think the last few years have made it so I can’t dismiss any ‘conspiracy theory’ out of hand.
Seems to me that if they made it to the moon they would be strip mining it by now. And I remember a while back that I heard some “official” say that they were trying to build a rocket that would make it to the moon. Why don’t they upgrade the one they already used ? I don’t know. I feel like they either lied about it or they did make it and have been going there ever since and not talking about it. Hard to get the truth about anything any more. It’s a small fuckin’ club and we aint in it.
Your last two sentences says it all.
There’s a lot to it. They decided to make it a 1 off thing to get to the moon. No infrastructure to build more of them. The we decided to build the space shuttles, which were huge and couldn’t make it to the moon. Now we’re trying again. More infrastructure this time around. But your last couple of sentences are spot on. I studied this stuff in school and know we could make it to the moon, even in the 60s, but I don’t believe much of anything anymore.
Orbital Science’s Cygnus spacecraft costs about $43,180 per pound into space. SpaceX does it the cheapest at $27,000 per pound. And that’s just to space — not to the moon.
If you’re strip mining the moon, you probably don’t want the material just on the moon, but either back on earth or somewhere else in space (we’re not living on the moon, no need for more material there). That means you have to launch the fuel to the moon that will be used to launch the material off the moon.
I can’t think of anything that is worth that amount of money that can be acquired by strip mining the moon.
And these same logistical problems apply to mining mineral rich asteroids, yet talk of such pie in the sky ideas continues. It’d be great if it ever became practical to do so, but it would require a breakthrough of the sort I don’t think we are capable of any longer, for that to happen.
Space exploration has been a wasted effort, given we can’t even get shit right here on earth. The most intelligent and capable of our species will not be allowed to leave the marginal behind and start a new world populated only by those capable of excellence. That made a nice plot device for Hugo Drax in Moonraker (although he intended to recolonize earth, giving it a different twist), but the stupid politics of our time wouldn’t even consider not crippling any effort to colonize another planet by forcibly sending along unneeded and unwanted diversity to drag down the effort.
Apollo XI astronauts star is located at South side of the 6200 block
of Hollywood Boulevard. They received it on July 20, 1973 for television.
This is even more pointlessly stupid than saying it’s faked because you can’t see stars in the pictures, or the shadows “don’t look right.” It’s faked because someone did a publicity stunt?
Soooo, six brain dead bimbo’s spent 11 minutes riding in a fully automated capsule which just barely touched the edge of space; I wouldn’t begin to call that thing a space ship, and now they’re astronauts? Not only no, FUCK NO.
They weren’t astronauts. They were cargo.
They also served as emergency flotation devices, in the event of a crash landing on water.
if they went there in the sixties, why is it taking so long to get back there? hell boeing couldn’t even make it to low earth orbit and back w/o being rescued by elon.
Because we only went to the moon in the first place because of politics, to beat the soviets. Once we did that public support, and public money, dropped off FAST. Can anyone tell me, without looking it up, the names of the last two men to walk on the moon? That would be Apollo 17. I know, but I’m a weird space nut and have been since 1968, when I was 4. Apart from scientifically there is nothing on the moon that we can’t get here, so we really have no reason to go. And before someone brings up Helium-3, there is just not enough on the lunar surface to make it economically viable to mine. But as far as how to get any mined materials back to earth (Unferth), I’d suggest reading “The Moon is a Harsh Mistress” by Robert Heinlein. It’s not hard. And we could also make rocket fuel out of ice that is found at the moon’s south pole. Add electricity and you have hydrogen and oxygen. Put them back together with a spark and you have thrust.
JFC
It would have taken 20 times the $$ to fake it than to do it for real. You flat earthers need to take a math course maybe.
Sorry, all you “fake moonshot”-ers. It really DID happen, and the reason we did not go back until now is that we ran out of political will to do it again. There are myriad reasons, most of ’em political, some of ’em social, some monetary. We proved it can be done, then fell asleep because the Great Unwashed Masses kept bleating about the cost and how it would be better to piss it away on useless Great Society programs. And we still have the poor amongst us. MORE, even !
Burns my chaps to think of where we would be with exploration now if we had just kept up the programs, even reduced. But nooooooooo, we had to blow it on Welfare because rockets don’t vote and people (and especially the Lamestream Media) didn’t realize the principles of serendipity and bread cast upon the waters. Lots and lots of everyday good things have come from the research done in the Space Program!
We are shortsighted, we are. And now we are a bunch of ignoramuses.
2001: A Space Odyssey was designed by Kubrick and his scientific advisors as a realistic look at space travel if we’d kept the pace we had in the mid 60’s. A huge lunar base by the mid 80’s, a wheel-shaped space station by the 90’s with artificial spin gravity and manned travel to the outer planets by 2001. If only. I thought Skylab was a good start, back in the early to mid 70’s. And Pete Conrad had balls the size of church bells to do what he did to extend the solar panels. We almost lost an astronaut doing that…
It’s like the MIC, it’s all about the grift.