For many years, the evil ones in our government and abroad have been very careful about what buttons they push when it comes to pissing us off too much.
For good reason.
As I was sitting here pondering about what I wanted to say, to “Rally The Troops” as it were,
I remembered seeing a comment on 8Chan several years ago by a former government “Red Team Planner” who had run the simulations of Us VS Them over and over and over again.
As I recalled, the U.S. Government lost, every time.
So I went looking for that comment on that thread and found it, from 2015!
Sometimes my brain amazes me.
Anyway, read it yourself and take cheer.
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Here is a more legible copy/paste of the text that is actually readable.
Strelok 09/07/15 (Mon) IO: 17d572 No.207303I am weeping. Weeping with laughter. Former red team planner for the government here. FYI these are the threads they monitor the most
If there ‘was/ a revolution in the U.S. the rest of the world would get involved fast. And depending on the type of uprising, there is a large chance that it would not be a quick affair. It would be brutal, it would be bloody for the U.S. Government and it could start a global scale war. Here are the top ten issues that came up in red gaming
1. The LIS powergrid could be taken down by a series of “surgical strikes” with the exception of the texas grid. By surgical strikes, a few marksmen (IE LIS army tier Marksmen- the min requirement) hitting certain spots on the grid would fuck a lot of the military and government because they
need the grid more than bubba and friends do. Additionally, while ALL government agencies have backup generators- they will be hard pressed dealing with the resultant looting and other madness that would come with power outages. This would effectively create another front for the military. It
would also turn the people against the government quicker and paralyze the government’s propaganda machine. Worse still- the key points of the LIS powergrid are public obtainable information and not only are the points too many to be effectively guarded- they are not guarded anyways. This was always the number 1 issue.
2. An estimated desertion rate in case of a civil war is 75% in the case of a left wing president. 50% of that would be assumed to immediately betray the president. The army would be fighting it’s own. Yet another front created in this war. Additionally, there is an assumed 25-50% desertion or
outright betrayal rate in three letter government agencies. Additionally there is also an assumed 5% of the 50% betrayers would stay in their job and become sabateurs. Additionally 10% of that 50% would contain key information that would be of critical danger to the LIS government. Of that
10%, 1% would be able to deliever that information to the LIS’s foreign enemies. What you should get from this is that the second the LIS declares war on it’s own- is the second it ceases to exist as the state and we know it.
3. “tbaggers” and “right-wing extremists” and “oathkeepers” which are considered untrained racists who arent “good with a gun” often are a) veterans who now have more time to have fun at the range, sometimes more than some army units or marine units. In addition to previous military
training b) often camp and do other outdoor activites, more than many in the military do as the focus has gone away from field exericisec and c) often have better equipment outside of armor and heavy weapons than the military. However c) is kind of irrelevant because many of the places these
people could hide would make the kind of war the LIS fights with the equipment they use pointless.
4. Outside influence is a huge fucking problem. Russia has already stated they would back any texas seperation movement, and right now we already have enough problem keeping radical islam in check. The second the LIS has to fight in a “Civil War” is the second it becomes a proxy war
between NATO and whoever wants to fuck with america. While America has amazing nuclear defence and air defence- if it comes to a civil war you have to assume that in a best cast scenario the LIS military is going to be operating at 75% at best. Shit would go down. Hard. And fast. And if
Russia, spoiler alert one of the best militaries in the world at fighting in an urban environment, sent fucking trainers and helpers to rebels- you can reliably bet that they would also possibly deliver weapons to the rebels. So instead of fighting “Timmy Tea8aggei’ you are fighting “TimmyTea8agger who is buddies with Vlad.”
Based Russia bro has stated the number one reason why a ‘civil war’ is not just the LIS versus the rebels. There will be looting. There will be rioting. Cities will burn. The national guard cannot fight both the rebelions and rioters in a city that would also kill off their supplies. Additionally if you
dont think that the rebels will send in instigators into the cities or worse stand alone actors (A Lone Wolf on steroids. Think Timothy McVeigh but instead of one van they have a whole god damn fleet of them. A good movie example would be Bane) would be god damn mistaken. Additionally, if
the LIS government cannot even help it’s own people, why would it’s own people support it’s military. Worse yet, if someone emptied out prisons (There are a FLICK TON of prisoners in the us, about the size of oh- I dunno THE ENTIRE CHINESE ARMY) you would have more crime than the police could ever handle.
6. Logistics and infrastructure in the LIS are crumbling and failing. Any war fought against a rebellion in the LIS would be a logistical nightmare even before the rebels stated going full Al-Qaida and putting IEDs in the road. A fucking retired general who was contracting with us on the team said
“the only thing holding together the LIS’s interstructure is basically duct tape and the will of the department of transporation. And often enough there isnt enough ductape.” Your most loyal cities to the LIS government, as we polled, are also the most logistically easy to cut off. NY CQ SF? LA?
DC? Baltimore? Most of them require crossing water to get into from certain directions. Most of them have critical air ports. Some of them have critical ocean ports. If anything happened to just Two of the cities on the list it would create a logistical clusterfuck.
7. Your “Johnny Reb” and “Timmy Tea8aggef’ states/ red states all have something most of your “oh so progressive” “Arent we so european” “oh my god we are just like Sweden” blue states are for the most part consumer states and not producer states. Urban areas dont have farms. The second shit goes down- realize a lot of those blue areas are likely to starve. In a civil war scenario we predicted that at least 10,000 people would die of starvation if the war was not finished in a year. The numbers get worse after that.
& The LIS has way too many choke points, and the government forces would often be on the wrong side of them. This ties into the logistical nightmare- but it also has todo with an odd phenomena. Liberals like to live near the ocean. Many of the dividers of the country, like the rocky
mountains, the Mississippi River, Appalacia, The Missouri River (Fun fact: the bigggest choke point for the LIS Government is in Missouri) are red state areas. Sure Air travel is a thing, but a majority of the LIS government’s needs would have to travel by ground and even still many of the major
airports are outside of the city. Of course the LIS would use military base air fields, but if civil war did break out- which bases would be safe? Which ones would have fallen to traitors?
9. PR Nightmare. Every rebel killed on CNN would be spun as “The LIS government killed X Civilians today in a strike.” on RT. That is- as it was pointed out earlier- if the LIS media could even function in a civil war or an uprising. Your “Rebel Scum” know that the main thing that holds together
the LIS, nay life in the LIS as we know it is the 24 hour news cycle and the media. The second it’s gone you are going to have urban anarchy. If you are from America, can you imagine a day without TV, Newspaper or Internet? Your average urban youth cant and if you dont think that isnt
going to cause rioting you must have a real high regard for how much restraint they have. Assume that in a civil war- that your ability to talk to the people is compromised. Also assume that in the case of a civil war- that rebels may know how to monitor conversations like the LIS does- as there
are manuals online on how to do so.
10. This one is either one or ten, depending on who is asked. The LIS will never nuke its own. The Second it does they have lost the civil war and other countries come to “liberate” the LIS from it’s own “repressive regime.” Additionally, if anny general, minuteman, nuke tech, or Nuke sub
captain, decided to side with the rebellion is the second the LIS government is SOL.
tl;dr version, The second that a “civilian uprising” or “extremist group terrorist attack” turns into “Civil War” is the second the LIS loses. As a result you Will never see a “Civil War”. You will see Waco, you will see Bundy Ranch, you will see all sorts of militant group confrontations and maybe even
some skirmishes, but the LIS government fears it’s own people way the fuck too much to ever start a civil war.
End quote.
Even though this is at least seven or eight years old now and many variables have changed, I still think it is relevant,
I did some editing and some bolding in there to try and make it more readable, The Chans have their own linguistic creativities that don’t translate well into Normal.
So be of some cheer even though our government has been provoking us non stop ever since FJB was installed.
I think they believe they have the winning hand if they can get us to fire the first shot so to speak, even though they have been killing as many of us as possible for years now.
I’m sure that their strategy involves importing foreign troops onto U.S. soil.
Something some of us have been dreaming about for decades now.
The problem now is, with their Open Border policy, those same foreign fighters are already inside the country, they have been pouring in by the millions.
I think that is what their plan is, to offer them Carte Blanche if they can defeat and subjugate us.
So they can sit back, hold their “Woke” military in reserve and let the foreign invaders do their dirty work for them.
No matter, I still think not one of their so called geniuses has any idea what will happen if everyone with a gun in this country is forced to defend home and hearth.
Behind every blade of grass……
Thanks for stopping by, please enjoy this day of remembrance in honor of the millions of our ancestors who gave it everything they had, stay away from the morons out there and we’ll see you again soon.
What does LIS mean? I can’t find a definitive definition. (RickeyG)
LIS is supposed to be the U.S..
Some kind of cutesie Chan crap using a font is my thought.
It makes it harder for an algorithm to find and flag an article for bad think.
I’m not so sure about a lot of the statements he/she made.
Ferinstance: The Ukrainians have shown that the Russians aren’t the masters of urban fighting. Lots of other poorly made assumptions there.
Energy not just electricity, will be the key once winter sets in. Communications will be another issue for the non .gov folks. Not insurmountable, but no internet and no cell phones can cause havoc for timing and coordination outside of local.
It’s a fight I sincerely hope we never see.
Wuss, many need to die to refresh the tree of liberty.
I always like assholes like you that are so eager for violence and death.
I figure your kind will be hiding behind those of us that will reluctantly do what needs to be done
The Russian model of war relies heavily on artillery. Notice, all the time Russia has been losing they have been gaining ground. Many of the areas they have been on have ethnic Russians. Nothing good can come of a scorched earth policy that is urban warfare. Better to surround a city, which they have done.
Historically 1-2% of people actively fight as a resistance, another 3% or so perform support such as hiding and feeding. It doesn’t take a lot.
A great deal of commodity freight like coal moves via railroad and barge. Take out a few railroad bridges and a few locks for barge traffic and you’ll put a real hurt on the US. You don’t need many people to have a large impact.
We have a senile meat puppet as pResident, a gov’t calling J6 an insurrection and Trans being pushed at every level. My owned flawed analysis leads me to believe Trump got 65% of the real vote. Real inflation in the last year has been ~25% when viewed based on food only, which for the poor is a much larger fraction of their budget. When the wheel comes off the truck it will be very ugly, plenty of urbanites with little conscience will start looting. Least you think I’m racist, I’m referring to politicians.
What your desires are wrt violence no one cares. The only person who’s desire matters is the guy willing to beat you to take what you have. Just cause you haven’t met that person yet doesn’t mean he’s not out there. Are you ready to meet him (hint, there is more than one)
Exactly. The Ukes have been sacrificed on the altar of globalism. The Russians learned from the past urban conflicts.
Yep, I am ready.
Doesn’t mean I am willing to sacrifice my fellow citizens to the cause, unlike “Bear Claw”. I’m ready for fighting if we have to, but encouraging it is stupid. Cheering for it is even worse.
I have found that those who WANT war, death, and destruction are those who have never seen it, and are generally cowards once the shit starts.
as the phrase goes: “I ain’t looking for trouble, but you can find it right here”/
I do not know about the stated scenario, but I DO know that when things get sporty, your skin color will be your uniform…. I would like to think otherwise, but our reality intrudes.
Been reading Matt Bracken? Irrespective of what standards we now apply, yeah, if you have to make an instantaneous IFF decision, race will be a consideration for “of my tribe”. And it won’t be just white guys using that criterion.
IIRC, “Joe Nobody” has some good books dealing with a breakdown scenario.
re — colors
My criteria for ‘detain-indefinitely’:
* neck tattoo,
* face tattoo,
* any tattoo with barbed wire or a noose.
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I worked in three penitentiary settings.
An awful lot of Caucasian folk are scum.
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A lot of American Latino/latina/latinx folk hate illegals.
keyword — roof-Koreans
Damn good observations.
The number of people dead from starvation at 10,000? That’s a severe lowball, even if including cannibalism and eating every cat, dog, squirrel, pigeon, seagull, rat, coyote, possum, turtle, tortoise and all the other things found in and around cities.
Try more like a million. Maybe more.
Factor in deaths due to trying to obtain or protect food and it gets much higher.
Add in the deaths by lack of medicines and it goes way up.
Deaths by dirty water? Dysentery and Cholera will sweep the land again. Typhoid and tuberculosis will blossom. So will Hanta virus (mice and rats are the carriers, Hanta is commonly found on Indian reservations due to the lack of sanitation and decent living conditions (caused by drinking and drug use)) and other plagues.
All of that in less than 3 months.
The dying will start in 3 days of lack of service and support. Just look at Katrina. How many people would have died if there wasn’t a large rescue response. How many people would have died if massive material support (often from the evil right wingers) hadn’t arrived basically as soon as the storm was mostly past?
And Katrina is a good example of what happens when Hell descends in reference to ‘red’ vs ‘blue’ areas. Lots of Louisiana got thrashed but it was New Orleans where the problems happened.
And Mississippi got majorly thrashed. A good portion of Biloxi was wiped off the map. Lumberton and other small towns south of Hattiesburg were thrashed and destroyed.
But all the red portions of Louisiana, and Mississippi sprung back quickly, burying the dead and starting the cleanup, without all the material and monetary support that New Orleans got. Hell, even the thrashed portions of Louisiana and Mississippi helped Nawlins, until the stupidity of the Dems and the assinine behaviour of the Red Cross and leftist ‘relief’ organizations came out.
My estimate — ten thousand corpses an hour, every hour for months.
I expect to get very accustomed to well-fed buzzards and rats.
Flies and maggots on everything I touch.
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As Beans so eloquently states [paraphrase]:
* every type of all water is contaminated with contagious cooties.
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The few survivors are pretty hard to kill.
Cagey, quiet, observant, we are invisible.
We started with skills, we hone our skills based on our successes.
But a scratch or a sore, an infected toenail, a momentary lapse of attention, a mis-judgement of companionship is fatal.
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Anybody looking forward to or claiming to enjoy the events is delusional.
People these days just don’t understand how dangerous times were before the widespread introduction of vaccines.
Behring and Shibasaburo saved the world when they came up with a vaccine for Diphtheria.
The whole Iditarod competition is based on racing Diphtheria vaccine to Nome during an outbreak.
My dad’s grandfather lost his parents in a Cholera outbreak in New Orleans, along with a lot of other people.
Typhoid used to be so scary that they’d ban people from coming in to towns and cities, and the people outside an infected place would force the inhabitants to stay put at the not-threat of being shot or killed.
Black plague? During WWII there was an outbreak in North Africa and both sides worked very hard to keep the infected inside the afflicted villages and towns.
I grew up just post-Polio. I have known polio survivors.
All those abandoned sanitariums that the ‘ghost hunters’ visit for their tv shows? All for Tuberculosis.
Nowadays? Take a week’s worth of Keflex or Bactrum and you are right as rain.
Funny story, the battle of Agincourt? The English weren’t wearing pants or leg armor, for the most part, because they had the bloody flux. Dysentery.
Most of America isn’t aware or prepared for the coming plagues.
Here in Florida we’re seeing cases of malaria thanks to illegal aliens bringing it back into the state.
Mosquito-born encephalitis? Even today, mostly by the time you’re properly diagnosed with said Enceph in the brain, it’s too late. Only modern medicine and seriously heroic measures administered at the beginning of the attack can possibly save the person. We’ve had periodic outbreaks in Florida before. Without lots of meds, lots of people, lots of seriously good medics, you get encephalitis and you’re gonna die.
Now take away all meds, power, municipal services, good food, and friggin tetanus will start reaping again. Cholera, Diphtheria, Dysentery, Typhoid, friggin Giardia, encephalitis, menangitis, all the old school ‘childhood’ illnesses will serve their master, Death, very well.
People these days don’t understand parents who would be scared shitless when their child got sick. The reason so many of us were put on a couch when sick was so everyone could watch and monitor constantly.
And food? I remember citrus only during the winter, and a treat at Christmas. Foods were very seasonal unless one went to the most expensive stores and even then not everything was available. Fruit-of-the-Month clubs were an actual thing. Today? People have no friggin clue.
When the trucks stop rolling, the food stores will be stripped clean within 48 hours.
Most don’t keep more than a weeks food in their abode.
About half of the population are on some kind of prescription medication(per CDC: Percent of persons using at least one prescription drug in the past 30 days: 48.6%). How many of those are life sustaining?
Water? Grid down?
A million dead?
Try 100 million dead within 4 months. If not more.
Be Samuel Whittmore, is my motto.
I saw a bit of this back in the 1980’s at CGSC. deaths rates where in the 50-60%
range at best. most people will starve to death. the US has at best, 30-40 days of food on hand at any given time. (1980’s) that includes everything. stores, warehouses, fields and what ships in harbor- everything.
crime will become a major problem fast. and you better count on all of the illegals
helping that too. if the EBT cards stop working, all the shops/superstores in the cities will be looted that day. plan on it ! and what they don’t steal, they will trash
making it worthless. as for the guns, they will never be able to get them all.
AMMO on the other hand. that is why you should buy and STOCK ammo.
water filters are a MUST. and have backups for it as well. spare filters.
the cities will burn. the burbs will be next unless you form some sort of protection
group- you need guns and lots of ammo for that.
comms are a must between groups and between your “friends”.
have a back way to get the word out. funny fact. the Amish use bells to gather
people when needed. simple, battery free way to get the word out. hear the bell- run to the sound. bring weapons/tools with you.
and people wonder why I moved to the hills of western PA.
…on the us v. them(.gov & other loons), one of the things I found very interesting about the last session of the U.S. Legislature; they passed a law, through both houses, outlawing lynching, making that activity a federal crime. They did it on the QT, not much press anywhere about it, even in “conservative” publications and it’s been memory holed since.
Ask yourself why they would do that after all these years.
My answer: they’re scared shitless that all of the apocalyptic predictions about the collapse of U.S.society and the country in the last 20 or so years are going to come true and the citizens remaining when the dust settles a little are going to take retribution on them for not preventing it and in fact facilitating it.
As to whether .gov would prevail in an all out war with citizens? They don’t have a snowballs chance in hell, they know it and they’re scared shitless about the end of them feeding at the trough and being held accountable, finally.
Remember Yamamoto’s admonition to his government when it was proposed that Japan invade the US after Pearl Harbor: “Behind every blade of grass, there’s a rifle.” That still applies no matter who the adversary is. That’s why the KLeft keeps trying to take those rifles away from us. I know you know that. It bears repeating, just as a reminder, from time to time.
It’s not just the feds either. It’ll start local. There’s a whole passel of people, local .gov “officials” and the businessmen and women that support them, along with a whole bunch college professors, teachers, librarians and general ne’er do wells in need of accounting. After that it’ll be county and state. The list is long and growing by the day. Even though there are reports of 3-4 Trillion rounds of ammo in circulation amongst the civilian population, I don’t think it’s going to be enough when taking into consideration defense needs AND taking out OPFOR through offense, then administering justice for past transgressions.
Once or if this thing kicks off, the only replacement ammo to be had for a long Long LONG LONG time will be having the ability to make your own. Act accordingly.
Then there’s?: “if Russia, spoiler alert one of the best militaries in the world at fighting in an urban environment”. Horsechit. A vastly inferior adversary, the Ukrainian Army and Militia, has fought the Russian Army to a stand still in Ukraine, including the vaunted Wagner mercs, who, after taking 20% or more casualties in Bakhmut over several months when they expected to roll right over it., fled the field and turned their anger on their own country, however short lived that may have been. Ukraine is turning into Russia’s Afghanistan 2.0. Russia and no one else, including the Chinese, is going to get involved here in the event of civil war.
Why? Because that would re-unite the country to oppose any outside nation or the U.N.(blue helmets make unique aim points) from interfering in our internal affairs, even though we’ve been doing that very thing everywhere in the world since 1945. After we repelled the invaders, we’d be right back at it, hammer and tong.
Anyway, that’s my $0.02 on Independence Day.
Regarding lynching. It ain’t illegal if the government can’t enforce it. Committees of Vigilance will form and stand against local, state and federal governments. It’s happened before, it will happen again.
Remember, we gave/give governments our right to police and to judge. We can take it back.
You are correct
Nemo
nobody wins in urban warfare. if you want to “win” you better learn “Hama” rules. back in the early 2000’s I think it was.
Syria. the town Hama was a a hot spot giving the rulers problems
they circled the town, brought in the big guns and shelled it to rubble. after that they went in with flamethrowers and killed
EVERYONE LEFT.
I read a book about an EMP attack on the USA by William R Forstchen called “One Second After” and it was excellent. It clearly showed what would happen to a little town in the NC hills when they lost all power, communications, transportation, meds, and food for over a year.
Having CW2 hit the USA would be much like that. Power, communications, transportation, meds, and food would be affected in most areas.
I would think most of the military except for the high levels would go back to their homes and support them and this is mostly Red States as the military is mostly from there. The question is what happens to the NSA, DIA, CIA, FBI, and the other alphabet agencies of the government especially in DC. In Blue urban areas will be looting, killing, and crime ridden like SF is today but much worse. The question is how bad will it get in the Red States and how long will it take to take over the country and get it running properly.
I attended a lecture about EMP and what would happen to the country. the first thing is that we go back to 1870 or so.
they figured between 60-70% of the people will die off inside of 6 months. the country has at BEST 30-40 days worth of food on hand at any given time. that includes everything. stores, warehouses, fields, stock yards and whatever is in harbor. all frozen food will be worthless inside of 2-3 days. they figured about 25-50% of federal people will leave and go home. taking whatever they can with them.
life will get very cheap fast. crime will go thru the roof fast.
doing the roof Korean will buy you some time, but not much
you are going to have to shoot people. face it. or they will shoot you for what little you have that they don’t.
any travel will have to be done by armed convoy at least.
any sound or smell will draw unwanted assholes. again, they will shoot you for what you have.
small towns will NEED a reaction force to keep assholes away.
plan on this. whatever does happen, it will not be pretty. and it will stay like that for a long time too.
food, clean water and ammo will be needed like never before.
I hope I never see it happen here.
One of the best generic comments about (un)Civil War in the FUSSA is
“Bosnia x Rwanda + 500 Million Guns”.
That missive was penned before the Russia/Ukraine debacle. That soiree has sorely depleted Russian assets making them a ghost of their former self.
It has also done a number on NATO preparedness. Which wasn’t all that great to start with. In the event of a civil war everything everywhere will go to hell…rapidly.
And the only country that has any meaningful military capacity to get involved is China…and they WILL get involved. They want ALL of us dead so they can take over North America. You don’t think “Lebensraum” was a German only concept do you?
Very interesting discussion on 1776 redux. Let’s do some math. US has 1.2 mil Active duty and another 700K in the reserves. Add to that 400K in the National Guard. Total about 2.3 mil. About 150K are overseas, leaving 2.15 mil. Of that 50-60% are support personnel give or take, so 1 million left. I don’t think even if the Torys impose a draft, anyone is going to join. LOL There are 20 million vets. You have old farts like me, but a lot of younger farts full of piss & vinegar. For shits & giggles, let’s say 50% of the veteran old farts can’t mount a ruck and 50% are liberal Vets collecting some sort of VA pension or disability. That leaves about 5 million able body patriots. Plus any civilians that want to play; maybe 1-2 mil. But how many of all those “patriots” will actually heed the call? With the 4Chan scenario of people leaving, deserting or on cross gender hormones along with the insider subversives in the Tory Military, the Rebs appear to have a “numbers” advantage.
However, superior numbers in a 5th generation warfare environment is a major factor. Small Recon, SF, Seal, Ranger units can reek havoc on command and control and infrastructure assets. A small platoon could take out municipal water, power, main transportation arteries, bridges etc, at will. The Nation Guard will have to provide support to the cities and urban areas for life sustaining essentials, rendering the Guard all but useless in any conflict.
The Rebs would need some anti-air assets. The Army will be able to move troops with their air assets at will, via Helo’s, Airborne & Air Assault capabilities. The Rebs would need something to counteract the Tory Air capabilities. Unless there’s cache of Stinger Missiles somewhere that the rebs can get access to… the Torys can move anywhere at any time. The Proletariat leaders can also employ drone assets. They won’t need to nuke or fire for effect artillery on a enemy position when they can surgically remove the resistance with a Predator drone or other optically guided munition. Add FLIR and other high tech optics to “Find the Rebs,” it could be a bloodbath. If the Rebs don’t have countermeasures to those assets, it’s gonna be a COD and Halo rich environment for some nerd in Nellis AFB with a joystick. The Resistance will be playing Wack-a-Mole while the Torys have a bulldozer to tear down the arcade.
Urban unrest will definitely help the resistance by taking troop assets away from the fight. As far as international intervention, the Torys will still have a Navy, Air Force and NORAD protecting the Motherland to prevent any substantial international support from occurring. If the Rebs hope for any outside help…well, that seems unlikely. As the saying goes…”No one is coming to save you.”
You can 4D chess play this all you want, but if it happens, it’s looking like a USSR v. Ukraine in the USA. A tough slog for sure.
Stay Frosty.