They knew and didn’t think to say something to anybody?!!
Navy Knew Titan Submarine Imploded Days Ago
The Navy’s acoustic detection system picked up the implosion on Sunday but didn’t release the information until Thursday.
Why?
The Wall Street Journal reported:
A top secret military acoustic detection system designed to spot enemy submarines first heard what the U.S. Navy suspected was the Titan submersible implosion hours after the vehicle began its mission, officials involved in the search said.
The Navy began listening for the Titan almost as soon as the sub lost communications, according to a U.S. defense official. Shortly after the submersible’s disappearance Sunday, the U.S. system detected what it suspected was the sound of an implosion near the debris site discovered Thursday and reported its findings to the commander on site, U.S. defense officials said.
“The U.S. Navy conducted an analysis of acoustic data and detected an anomaly consistent with an implosion or explosion in the general vicinity of where the Titan submersible was operating when communications were lost,” a senior U.S. Navy official told The Wall Street Journal in a statement. “While not definitive, this information was immediately shared with the Incident Commander to assist with the ongoing search and rescue mission.”
“Hey, something went Boom down there the other day but you guys can just go ahead and keep risking your lives and holding out false hope anyway”.
Incredible.
So? Remember, telling people you can hear something gives away operational capabilities.
Our naval enemies know where our listening systems are. If we can hear something from X distance away, that’s a tell on how sensitive the system is.
The company should have notified someone as soon as they lost contact. And they should have had hydrophones to listen to the sub as it travelled.
From what I’ve read and watched, including an interview with Josh Gates from “Expedition Unknown,” the company was sketchy as hell and was a continued series of fuckups and minor catastrophes every time they launched.
As to carbon fiber, SpaceX was going to make their Starships out of CF, until they realized that continued cycling of pressures and temperatures (both cold and hot) would result in issues that were undetectable, like the resin matrix breaking down, until a catastrophic failure occurred. Which is why they went to stainless steel.
All other sub manufacturers use steel and titanium. But not these guys.
Every launch was ‘experimental,’ and all riders had to sign a shit-ton of waivers acknowledging that they were basically dead until they got back aboard the mothership.
That listening system has been in place since the late 50’s and continuously upgraded ever since.
It is used to detect Russian subs running the Greenland/Iceland and the Iceland/UK Isles gaps, which they ran at depth, with precision.
The movie “Hunt for Red October” laid all this out in 1990. The movie is based on the book published in 1984 by Tom Clancy; same title, the master at putting together a novel’s plot based on publicly available military info.
Your last sentence tells it all. We can detect a gnats fart at 200 miles (water is an excellent conductor of sound!) and the Rooskies and Chinks know all about it. Giving out the info in a TIMELY MANNER WOULD HAVE SAVED A LOT OF EFFORT, RESOURCES, AND MONEY!!
Idiots.
Why? To keep Hunter off the front page.
THIS.
Absolutely this ^^^^
Because to tell meant disclosure which I see Beans had already said. Because it took this long to decide if a *civilian” mishap warranted disclosure of capabilities of a *military* system.
(Actually, not ‘this long’ as a factor of time but of events – such as confirmation and public disclosure of a debris field.
USN then can reveal they knew all along. The propaganda value is high. Keep the opposition guessing.
It was bound to be leaked that USN knew. This way they get ahead of the story, to control.)
Now that the whole world knows, ask yourself if they don’t know the whereabouts or even the cause of MH370 and others .
Acoustic signatures of subsea, subterranean, or airborne of a wide variety of various scenarios have already been cataloged.
Triangulation via stations either terrestial or satellite ident location. Time and place identified with high accuracy. Every field expedition simply confirms.
They probably don’t know where MH370 happened as the newest system wasn’t in place at the time. And the Indian Ocean is not heavily covered by our listening systems because it’s not ideal for launching ICBMs at the US. The listening systems are more North Pacific and North Atlantic based for that very reason.
“Top secret” my arse. sosus is about as secret as my cock. Ask my wife.
Your wife runs a sosus line?
And, which one? There are quite a few…
In case you were wondering why all the needless fuss about dead people, they released details about Joe and Hunter today…… Joe was in the room when Hunter was demanding payment from the CCP.
Just to let you know.
What, they couldn’t indict Trump for not returning a library book back in 1982?
Grifting Cocksuckers.
LOOK!!!! SQUIRREL!!!!
No one is saying the system is unknown. The exact capabilities (sensitivities) of the system is the subject.
I wish to categorically deny any knowledge – past, present, or future – of Tim’s peepee.
So I guess they just became the 21st Century’s “Green Boots”: A land mark for future Adventurers to note while passing.
Sonar is art and science. Sound of an implosion is a data point. Lots of weird sounds in the ocean. Considering loosing coms was supposed to be routine, I wonder at some of the story coming out. Did they inform the Navy of lost coms, was the Navy listening as a matter of routine exercise?
Or is this disinformation to draw attention away from the BCF (Biden Crime Family). The BS meter is pegged, we ain’t getting the whole story.
The Navy gave the information to the Coast Guard commander immediately. He used it to focus the search, leading to the discovery of the debris field. This wasn’t given to the public until yesterday.
No sense in the Navy releasing the info about the implosion until all concerned were sure the air on the submersible had ran out.
“Implosion you say? Well, I guess we might as well stop looking for it.”
And SOSUS was around 40 years ago when I was in the submarine-chasing business. The Russians (and others) know we got it and approximately where it is and what it can do.
Oh look, squirrel
Call me a skeptic. The ocean is a very noisy place. The idea that the good old usa has the ability to detect a 21 foot long cylinder collapsing in the middle of the Atlantic is not believable.
I will simply call you ignorant, because that’s EXACTLY what our capabilities are.
Please consider what you are saying before you say it, rather than look uninformed.
I toned it down, dear readers…)
No, no and no.
We do not have that capability.
Look at the number of surface ships plying the waters at any time.
Sailboats scraping their berths.
Fish.
Mammals.
No. Just no.
Your navy runs into surface ships on a regular basis.
Has its naval vessels bombed by pangas.
Has its own seaman start fires to literally ruin ships.
Just no.
They probably did detect it. The question, however, is did they recognize what the sound was? Imploding carbon fiber pressure vessels are not what the SOSUS sensors were meant to be looking for and the operators may well have not recognized what would have produced the sound.
Yes, yes and yes.
Thank-you.
Gathering every sound and not knowing what they all are is not gathering intelligence.
US Navy says it detected (after replaying tape!) an anomaly.
The anomaly was inconclusive, according to USN.
“Gathering every sound and not knowing what they all are is not gathering intelligence.”
Sure it is. The sounds are put into a data base where ALL of them are identified and categorized by type. That data base is used to assist the ASW folks in identifying sounds in the oceans, so that they can tell the difference between fish, whales, subs, surface ships etc. They can even tell what species of fish or whales is making the sounds.
When it comes to subs, they can tell what sub it is by name using their acoustic signature.
Old and Tired is a good handle for you. You’re apparently too tired to understand 40 year old publicly available information or you’re a .gov troll, trying to deflect people from known facts. Do try to keep up.
Thank-you!
I agree about your premise that imploding cf cylinders are not on their acoustic profiles.
Igor (or Aesop) differs in his views.
I disagree with Igor(Aesop).
Igor is not Aesop. Igor is a very long time commentator whereas you just started and Igor is my friend…
Speaking of Igor…
check your damn email CederQ….
I was sn OT back in the day, and we could hear things all over the ocean, sometimes with a signify delay due to sound propagation time lag. The implosion at that depth would register, but we would need to be listening, and I’m not sure if my old equipment is even still in operation, none of the NAVFACs I went to are still stood up.
Still up, still recording, digitized as heck and filtered to a fare-thee-well. Ain’t technology wunnerful??
Computer support helps, too.
I’m sure someone in the chain of command was saying “Not my monkeys, not my circus.”
THe US Navy doesn’t owe information to individual civilian risk-takers. Not even sure they were US citizens … the Canadians seem to be taking over the investigation.
The fact that it was a useful distraction for a few days from the Biden’s latest scandals was probably just a bonus.