We are definitely on our own, act accordingly.
Vox Popoli, https://www.voxday.net./
The police have forgotten that their primary responsibility is to “provide order” which means protecting the criminal class from public retribution, so the threat of their quitting en masse in the event of an insurrection is neither credible nor something to be feared.
If police officers become targets during an insurrection, that is if they believe that simply wearing the badge puts a crosshair on their back, they will quit. Not all of them, and not all at once, but enough to matter. It will break the fragile illusion that someone will always be there when you call 911. Because here’s the dirty secret: being a cop isn’t the military. You can’t force someone to stay. They can quit, they can call in sick, ride the clock, or quietly decide to stop risking their lives for a public that suddenly sees them as the enemy and they will.
We’ve already seen the preview. During the Christopher Dorner manhunt, police across Southern California pulled back. Operations changed overnight. Civilian patrols were pulled and traffic stops disappeared. Cops stopped patrolling alone. Agencies went into defense mode, not enforcement. And that was just for one man—one rogue ex-cop with a manifesto and a rifle not a real, widespread war on police.
Now imagine a coordinated campaign of violence against police, or even just the fear of one. Even a few targeted killings would be enough to provoke the same institutional panic. Commanders would prioritize officer safety over crime prevention. SWAT teams would be called out for routine calls. Cops would avoid public contact, adopt “high threat” tactics, and start treating everyone like a potential ambush. Patrols would thin, enforcement would evaporate, and criminals would flouish in the resulting void.
That vacuum in public safety will not go unnoticed. The public will feel it, especially the law-abiding people who thought they didn’t need the police—until the police stopped showing up. When the perception of risk outweighs the paycheck, officers will disengage. And once the public sees what a police-less society actually looks like, opportunists will act. Criminals will take advantage of those unable to defend themselves. And you would-be vigilantes looking to clean house will suddenly find out it’s not so fun being in Condition Orange all the time and that there are much bigger, badder fish out there.
The police aren’t protecting the public at all because they’re not even remotely capable of it. If you want absolute and conclusive proof of this, watch the OnlyCops analysis of the Boulder police’s 2021 response to a crazy immigrant with a rifle and a pistol who shot up a supermarket, killing 10 people and one police officer. The image below shows what the police think a tactical response to a single shooter looks like; their Napoleonic approach make the US Marines’ WWII tactic of “storm the beaches” look downright strategic; at least the Marines attacked in line rather than column.
That picture was taken after two of the first three police, including that woman, had tried entering the front door, very slowly without taking cover, and then retreated outside at first contact about 30 feet inside the store. The first two police left the third policeman to die before finally returning with reinforcements and trying to hide behind each other; moments after this picture, the gunman opened fire and they all ran away again.
The observable reality is that the only protection and order that the police actually provide is the illusion of protection and order. Two deer hunters could have taken out the lunatic in less than one-third the time that dozens of Boulder police and their SWAT team finally managed to wound and arrest the man; it took them more than 15 minutes to even try flanking the guy despite the fact that there were dozens of innocent people and a dying police officer inside.
Remember, to the police, both a predator seeking to prey on the public and the members of the public defending themselves and delivering justice on their own behalf are “criminals”. So, when the policeman claims that “criminals would flourish in the resulting void” he’s not talking about gangs and hoods, he’s actually talking about working- and middle-class neighborhood protection squads driving out the predators and parasites that have infiltrated their society.
It’s not the criminals that the police and the politicians fear, it’s the regular people sick and tired of being subjected to crime. Notice how they always come down like a ton of bricks on so-called “white nationalists” and “right-wing extremists” and spend three-quarters of their resources trying to infiltrate and suppress them while simultaneously permitting minorities and liberals to burn down half the city without even trying to intervene.
If you do not read and/or subscribe to these quips, start. Now.
https://defense-training.com/quips/
My Army buddy is a friend of John and Vicki Farnam and has been through several of their classes.
In this scenario, when law enforcement will avoid risking their lives, who will call the cops? If law enforcment lacks the will to defend you, and you have the means and the will to defend yourself, why would you call them?
Calling them then tells them and the world that you lack the means or will to defend yourself. If they respond, to they respond to the reported “suspect”, who might kill them in an ambush? Or do they respond to the responsible who called them, and made it clear he’s harmless? How many times do you effectively call SWAT down on yourself before you quit calling?
Kinda hopin for a Christopher Jordan Dorner on my side
Yeah, me too… and my county might be a good place to find one… but man…
Predictions are hard, especially the future.
I take solice in the fact that I’ve done all the running away, “apeasing”, preparation, research, that I can… now I just have to harden to make what I’ve already committed to doing, reflexive.
Yup. That’s right. Fuck da po-lice.
What a goddamn joke.
I’m gonna take a wild stab in the dark here and surmise that a good 90% of the regulars on this blog (at least) are either long in the tooth, not in the best of health, too fucking fat or a combination of these to man their own watch. For those of you that don’t know, infantry-type work is tough for guys in their 20s and 30s. For guys in their 40s to 60s? Good fucking luck.
I don’t think there’s any threat of cops walking off the job – that shit has been happening steadily across North America since at least 2015, when BLM started up after Michael Brown attacked a cop and got rightly iced for it. Fact is, nobody in their right mind wants to do the job. Why the fuck would they? On one side, they got the commies and shitlibs on the left going at them when they’re not doing the job the way THEY want them to do it; on the other, they got the conservatards and boomer-grillers on the right whining about the same, albeit conversely. And after the scamdemic? Well…I can tell you that TPTB is very much keeping it on the QT, but they are STILL bleeding in the ranks and nobody’s filling them.
Now I can hear it already from some of the idiots who post here: “well the pork is the problem” or” we don’t need them”. I won’t argue with you. If you think your old, dilapidated, and/or fat ass can take on the ‘dark hordes’ when (not IF but WHEN) they darken your doorstep, go nuts. Life ain’t a fuckin Schwarzenegger movie and you’re gonna find that out most ricky tick. I don’t fancy your chances, but you do you.
You wanna paint cops with the same brush without keeping in mind that there may be other debiliating factors at play that you may not be aware of and getting your news from some pussy assed dipshit like Vox Day? Go nuts. Have yourself a good ol’ pork roast.
Personally? I think all of us need all the help we can get. But that’s just my two fuckin cents.
So JL, I call you and you would come to my rescue? I fit about 75% of your old guy description, I have had extensive training as an Army MP. I know I couldn’t fight toe to toe with a younger man or 2gg for more than a few minutes, so my plan is remove the threat, either by escape/evasion or by kinetic means. It doesn’t mean I am not lethal, but like Saint Clint Eastwood enumerated, “A Man has to know his Limitations.” No, I don’t plan on calling the cops, they aren’t there to defend you, protect you. They are there to draw chalk lines and take a report after the fact. That is my only view of them.
@CederQ:
Well…if I were working in in your AO, and you called for assistance, then yes I would do my damndest to get there. Most cops would, if able. For me, it wouldn’t be the first time I’ve moved like a bat out of hell to get to where I was needed.
I know this post was mostly quoted from Vox Day, so my response wasn’t necessarily directed at *you* (I know you were not only an MP but also served in theater). I also know enough from your posts/replies to know you aren’t an idiot by any means. So I know you know better.
By the by, I speak for myself too in that description. Being in my late 40s, with a bum ticker, I feel it. Like you, I know my limitations. Even though I still carry a shield now, I know I can’t do the shit I did in my 20s and 30s. I recall how hard gruntwork was back then and, while I’d *like* to think I could pull some of it off with some modicum of proficiency, I know reality is a cold hard bitch. Truth is, the chips will fall where they may.
But what pisses me off about Vox’s post, and some of the replies I see on other blogs re: related posts, is that all these swinging dicks seem to think they’re gonna go Rambo when SHTF and if it does go pear shaped, it’ll not only be the fault of the fuzz but they’ll be the enemy too.
Welp. Like I said, I won’t argue with the cop haters. But I will offer a pro tip to them: if you a.) aren’t breaking the law; b.) being a fuckin retard; or c.) going out of your way to piss them off or grab their attention, there is a better than excellent chance you won’t be on their radar. Contrary to what you might believe, they have plenty of other shit to deal with, so unless you make it worth their while, most cops won’t bother with you.
Yes, I know there are idiots who carry a shield. I don’t like ’em, nor do alot of other cops. We do what we can to sort that out, but we mostly focus on doing our own jobs correctly while trying to undo the things the idiots fuck up. Take my word for it or don’t – it’s no skin off my sack.
But…there ARE good cops (both serving and veterans) out there too. And if all hell DOES break loose (and we all should pray that it doesn’t) you WILL need them on your side.
One question. Uvalde.
Oh, wait. I guess that wasn’t a question…….
Okay, Uvalde: a giant clusterfuck that cost 21 lives due mainly to piss poor leadership on the part of the police chief, Arredondo; who, as I understand, was summarily shitcanned in disgrace and then criminally indicted last year, as a result.
What about it?
What about it. My point precisely.
Feature, not a defect. Think about it.
Horseshit.
Uvalde happened because that police department was negligent, despite being properly trained to the contrary in that scenario. Hence, why the now-former chief, Pedro Arredondo’s, ass is in a sling.
There have been active shooter incidents before, and after Uvalde (notably Nashville), where it WAS, done right.
Mike Glover does a fantastic commentary on it: https://youtu.be/sFDIDYTUam0?feature=shared
Yah, Uvalde was going to be my comment adding Parkland/Marjorie Stoneman Douglas High School.
Agree about Teddy Beale. Not so much the heroic cop stuff.
I’m sure it’s hard to find qualified candidates to fill positions. And it shows.
My philosophy has always been avoid behavior that draws the police’s attention..it has worked well for me.
I’ve always believed cops are sociopaths, or have their traits. Keep in mind some sociopaths are good. Example:: George Patton
Good points about old age and health problems. Not much I can add except, don’t get old.
I’ve thought about societal break down before. The reality is I would die within a month or two. No air conditioning or heat? Sleeping on the ground was fun when I was kid. Sounds like torture today. Fairly confident we could defend the house in the beginning but not for the long haul. Like minded and armed neighbors help. It’s funny because its a given there’s no police available, so there’s no consideration given to that scenario.
One last thing, I have the greatest respect for law enforcement. Probably one of the most thankless jobs in history. I do question laws and how they are enforced.
God’s blessings to you sir.
Love ya JL! Loved your blog and miss it. But damn son, you were one jaded motherfucker. But you be you. Love you muchly.
Mad respect for police officers. Have several in our network. And the thirty something son’s best friend from elementary school is a sheriffs deputy. He’s like a son to us.
But let’s be real. He has a wife and two sons. He’s gonna do what he needs to do to get home to them. Self preservation, no?
“ a good 90% of the regulars on this blog (at least) are either long in the tooth, not in the best of health, too fucking fat or a combination of these to man their own watch”. Heh. My husband is 66 years old. Marine vet. His only health problem is moderate hypertension. He jogs, mountain bikes and weight trains regularly. He is solid muscle head to toe. He still competes in tough mudders and spartan races. He can put men half his age to shame. The 10%?
But it’s not just physical attributes that win. It’s the mind set. Such as the mind set of the readers here. That “I’m gonna win no matter what” mind set. That “I don’t give up or give in” mind set. That “I’m gonna slay that motherfucking dragon come hell or high water” attitude.
Husband doesn’t lose. Ever.
@ Sandy:
Well, thanks for that. Yes I was a jaded mofo, especially at that time and under the circumstances I found myself in at the time, hence “The Bitter Centurion”. I had to walk away from that, ultimately because I found I was a bit too jaded and blogging, while initially therapeutic, became a bit of an echo chamber and kinda made me more jaded, if that makes sense. I’m not so jaded anymore, though. I’ve thought about starting a new blog to discuss various other matters (you might recall my previous one sort of centered around the scamdemic), but I’m not sure if I will. Who knows?
As for your husband, he sounds more like he’s in the 5%, nevermind the 10%. Obviously, he made his PT a lifestyle when he was in the Corps to the point where it became a habit for him. Good on him for doing that.
While I have no doubt he’s squared away, I’m certain based on what you’re telling me that even HE knows he has his limitations.
If things ever do get THAT bad, where there is complete breakdown of law and order (I wouldn’t count that scenario out, but I don’t think it is imminent depending of course on demographics and geographical location), then it’ll probably come down to sheer numbers. They’ll mob up, pick a target/time, and swarm a place. Your husband being a marine (I’ve heard it said there are no ‘former’ marines – and I’m gonna guess he was likely infantry, if not force recon), would probably tell you the same thing.
Think South Africa over the last 15 to 20 years (at least): you may or may not be aware but there are many accounts of Boer farmers and their families falling prey to criminal hordes, spurred on by their commie scumbag government. Awful, unspeakable fates followed these Boer farmers and their families (especially their wives and daughters) at the hands of these savage bastards.
Some of these people were as prepared and trained as they could be, being aware of what was happening, but in the end, it came down to numbers. There were simply too many of these maggots for one guy to take on, regardless of how tough or prepped he was.
IMHO, from what we are seeing from the pedigree of people who have been brought into Canada, Europe, and the USA, just so far, pretty much guarantees that it likely won’t be a turkey shoot if forced to take them on.
Grit, mindset, fitness etc. definitely count and you’re right about those things. But you also have to be honest with yourself about what you can actually do. I don’t mean to paint everyone who posts on this blog (and others) with the same brush, but I do see some pretty goofy comments from posters all over the bloggosphere from time to time about what they’re gonna do when the Big Igloo starts. John Mosby used to rant about that on his blog awhile back and, as inflammatory as he could be in response to that kind of braggadocio, he also wasn’t wrong. You never rise to your expectations when things go pear shaped, you default to your training and abilities. Just seems like alot of folks out there don’t know that…
Love ya man. Hope you blog again. I miss your commentary.
We are under no illusions of grandeur concerning the shit show post haste.
I hope you’re not “British”. Defending the police would be really weird.
JL, I can’t wait to witness reality.
Ian has another perspective on it:
https://thelawdogfiles.substack.com/p/popular-misconceptions
If the Police don’t do what they are paid to do then, as usual, nature abhors a vacuum and someone or something will fill it. The real Vigilantes arose because of exactly that situation and were the heroes of the time, imposing some kind of law and order. Of course, as usual, the left has twisted the meaning of the word to be an insult.
Vigilantism + Back Hoe = problem solved, permanently.
He also goes on to write the police are not there to protect the public from the criminals, but the criminals from the public. We we feel our only option is to take the law into our own hands then civil order will break down. Unscrupulous people will make false accusations.
As humans we don’t get perfection – we get least bad.
The Cabal has been undermining traditional white Christian America, including law and order. They want the break down. Vox is correct, if the police are a tool of corruption, then they are part of the problem. They are a symptom
I used to live outside of Atlanta and found out the hard way the police can’t or won’t intervene until bodies are on the ground. We are always on our own in the moment of crisis. Even stupid criminals know to wait until the cops are absent.
So, now Demoncrats are attacking cops for doing their job. Attack back. More innocent people are shot by cops than by civilians legally carrying. Which is to say in a furball if I take the side of the police they are likely to shoot at me. And the local DA is an even bigger problem, because they will make the next year or more of your life miserable. So, if the cops want me to be on their side, then the entire justice system needs to have my back. My current area of residence I believe that is the case, which is why I am here and which is why it is very low crime. That, and every other house seems to own a back hoe.
Are you my neighbor in Tennessee? You described my AO perfectly.
That’s why we live in the country with backhoes and lime.
We don’t dial 911.
I don’t have an problem with The Fuzz per se, just the stupid ones that have no idea about the ‘laws’ they enforce, or the orders they follow that trample Charter Rights so they can pay for their pool or high five one another at the local Boston Pizza about the latest motor vehicle ticket record. I see the quality of the Police members in my Ville and it directly results from poor training and leadership! There should be restrictions on how large your ballistic vest can be for starters.
What, you don’t have armor-piercing loads??
Since I reload, yes I do – they are invaluable for drilling holes in engine blocks and other things that need to be ventilated! Just sayin’.
And, yes – I’m old, fat, brokeback, and in piss-poor health. I *KNOW* my limitations, which is why I have hot loads and a laser on all my weapons. I also help out people where and when I can, give the cops no crap (they have a hard enough job!), and do not suffer fools gladly. Don’t worry, I also carry the Holy Hot Sauce for those that don’t need drillin’. IYKYK. A hero I ain’t,
I think that covers most of us here at Bustednuckles.
You got me down to a T. Except for the AP rounds.
I figured out, long ago, that JL is right about holding off the “golden hordes”. You may get several or a few or none if you’re ambushed. But, like Rocky the Seal told me, decades ago, Rambo wouldn’t last very long after first contact with a journeyman infantry squad (not platoon).
Us “patriots” have been brainwashed, since forever, to be INDIVIDUALS! We don’t need no steenking backup! We should be tribeing up with our neighbors, instead, we’re atomized, individual supply points for whatever mob takes us out, because we don’t have a squad of neighbors.
Our local county mounties seem like very good LE/peacekeepers. Not the city cops. It’s the “culture”, leadership, of the organization that matters.
@Chutes:
“I see the quality of the Police members in my Ville and it directly results from poor training and leadership!”
If you’re talking about the police service I think you are, I’d say you are correct on both counts. Fortunately (or maybe unfortunately, depending on how this plays out), there are going to be some BIG changes in the next 7 to 10 years in local policing in many Canadian provinces and jurisdictions. I’d expect to see General Duty mounties to go the way of the T-Rex.
As for their vests, there actually are restrictions on them; not size, but whether they are issue or not. I’d bet my rent money the vests you’re seeing these guys wearing are non-issue (LOF or Alitac), which they aren’t supposed to be wearing.
Joke’ll be on them if the day ever comes where they get shot and the Government of Canada/VAC tells them to go fuck themselves because they weren’t wearing approved issued kit at the time. No different than the CAF.
What, you don’t have armor-piercing loads??
Since I reload, yes I do – they are invaluable for drilling holes in engine blocks and other things that need to be ventilated! Just sayin’.
And, yes – I’m old, fat, brokeback, and in piss-poor health. I *KNOW* my limitations, which is why I have hot loads and a laser on all my weapons. I also help out people where and when I can, give the cops no crap (they have a hard enough job!), and do not suffer fools gladly. Don’t worry, I also carry the Holy Hot Sauce for those that don’t need drillin’. IYKYK. A hero I ain’t,
I think that covers most of us here at Bustednuckles.
The big problem with 99% of the cops , they won’t take down dirty cops. That makes them dirty also. That’s the problem with danni boi bongino, he won’t take down dirty cops.
in most cities there is 1 cop on duty per 10k citizens…the normal daily bs they deal with is easy with that ratio…it’s when something major happens is when shit goes to hell…in reality, they are only there to make us feel safe…they are no different than fireman…they don’t respond to put your house fire out…they are there to save the house on either side…no one’s coming to save you and they ain’t your friends…
Cops are the ultimate in “just doin what I’m told”…. As long as the paycheck, the pension and the dental plan is assured they WILL do what they are told….might not do it well, effectively or in a timely manner but they will eventually do something.
Used to be lots of cops were .mil vets. Often with actual combat experience. Not anymore. Most cops are DEI hires and people who knew someone. Vets now are not considered trustworthy to the people in charge so vets are rarely hired as cops.
And it shows. Ultimately the cops are the hired muscle for the political class. They exist to serve the agenda of those in power. NOT the citizenry. And in truth it’s ALWAYS been that way.
This has long been understood as a truism – police, and indeed the military should it be called on in a domestic situation of scale, would be subject to different rules by their adversaries. Attrition by non lethal means is expected as the Adam 12 mantra of ‘to protect and serve’ is pablum. People have always been responsible for their own defense, part of becoming an urban species requires being lulled into a false sense of security that Law and Order or similar shows are real. Just a reminder, they all start out with a murder. And I’m just spitballing here, but JL has to be a LEO, he doth protest way too much.