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I don’t believe that Man ever went to the Moon. I don’t believe the Apollo landings were real; it’s beyond obvious at this point that they were faked in a studio. But for those who still cling to the idea that the Moon landings of the 1960s couldn’t have been faked, understand just how seriously the US government protected its hoax at the time.
I interviewed the widow of the man who was going to be the first man to walk on the moon, Virgil Grissom. He was the most beloved of all the astronauts. I interviewed his widow for four hours.
It’s her opinion, not mine, with 100% certainty that he was murdered by the CIA for not cooperating with fraud in the Apollo program. She told me so. She said on January 26, 1967, he came home from work and said this, Han, for some strange reason, the CIA is all over the launch pad today inspecting the equipment.
I’ve been here three years, he said. They’ve never been here before. Why did they show up today? The very next day, he’s dead from faulty equipment.
Because a few days before this, he held a press conference without permission when he took a bunch of reporters up to the top of the rocket and affixed a lemon the size of a grapefruit to the top of the Apollo rocket, calling it a piece of junk. He was preparing reports, according to his widow, to give to Congress and the Senate that the CIA confiscated from his house the day he died before they even informed his widow that he had died. He knew they were 10 years or more away from going to the moon.
He would not participate in the fraud and they killed him. So this is why the two of the three astronauts, you know, act kind of bizarre and don’t like giving interviews. This is why at their first and only press conference, they look like they’re at the funeral of their mother instead of the winning locker room of the Super Bowl.
At this point, if you still believe in the Moon landings, you’re pretty much left in the company of those who genuinely believe that Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone gunman responsible for killing JFK and that Drew Pearson didn’t commit offensive pass interference in the 1975 NFC playoffs.
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I think the fly-overs of what is left of the LEM sitting on the lunar surface by the Chinese confirmed the lunar landings occurred.
Or at least the craft itself was sent down, which is probably possible without putting a human on the surface. It certainly would be now, but was there adequate computer control capability to do it then?
There are plenty of plausible reasons to believe it was a hoax. Not least if which is that it was done at a time when the government was still trusted by most people, and that would’ve made it far easier to pull off than it would be now.
There’s also too much access to information to pull a hoax so easily as it could be done in an era with 3 broadcast networks, no Internet, limited personal ownership of (movie) cameras that shot marginal quality 8mm film (versus HD video on nearly every phones now).
As cynical a bastard as I am, I’m still not 100% convinced it was a hoax. But I suspect we will know with certainty, within the next several years.
LEM lower and bleached out white flag of first landing was part of the Chinese fly-over.
Nuff said.
Yeah, nobody would be able to fake that picture.
It was India, not China and they’re not at all convincing.
https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2025/01/686/384/apollo-11-and-12.jpg?ve=1&tl=1
The “photos” are extremely low resolution. Why is that? Not convincing at all. Sorry.
We did not possess the computational capacity at the time to achieve a remote landing of the LEM. The LEMs we are able to observe through telescopes here on Earth sitting on the moon’s surface could only have been landed manually.
End of discussion
Not so fast. No LEM (or any other object on the moon) can be resolved from Earth, even with the most powerful telescope on the planet. Any objects actually present could only be seen during a fly by of another craft. Which apparently has spotted them, but rather conveniently, the craft that took those pictures is operated by NASA. I’d feel better if they were provided by another country, as it would at least provide some independent corroboration.
At this point, the number of convenient coincidences that exist regarding the purported evidence that we actually went or just enough to cause me doubt. Without evidence provided by another space agency (that doesn’t have a vested interest in covering NASA’s ass), that doubt will remain, at least for me.
It’s pointless to argue with idiots….and moon landing deniers are idiots.
This is not a good argument or an argument at all.
Yeah. “Because I said so, and you are a poopy faced idiot for disagreeing” has always been a convincing debate tactic. Just like it was when I was 9 years old, or more recently, during the COVID hysteria.
There is just enough weirdness around the moon missions, and no way for the typical civilian schlub to see irrefutable evidence for themselves, that the subject is debatable. Everything we’ve been told or shown of the moon landings was provided exclusively by the entity with the greatest incentive to lie about it. That might be good enough for some people, but it’s a problem that has gone unaddressed for the rest of us.
I’m entirely open to the idea the landings were legit, so not a hard core denier. Still, I have doubts.
There is no good argument and no point trying.
Thst’s the point.
It’s wasting time that could be better spent on counting nose hairs or braiding belly-button lint.
Honestly, it doesn’t have to be.
So y’all don’t believe the official account, with all of the evidence; but you will believe a widow without any solid evidence.
Grissom’s widow is but one (small) niggle with the overall story. There are plenty of other issues, that taken collectively, are “interesting”, to say the least
A major reason we are at this stage of so many doubting the story is that the level of competence and expertise to do those missions has not existed now for a few decades. We have fallen far as a country, and it shows. Many will look at the current state of our space program and NASA and ascribe that same lack of capability onto what it was in the 60’s. That’s not a good argument, but then too, there is the fact that the government has lied to us constantly about so much for decades now. There is zero reason to take the at their word on anything they claim. Add another to all the irregularities around the moon landing program, and you have just enough doubt to make a case in the minds of many people.
Russia, China and others have sent orbiters to the moon, most of those nations have a lot of reasons to hate the US and make them look bad. If they had evidence the US had not landed on the moon they would have published it far and wide. They didn’t
Moon landing deniers and flat earthers are hilariously comic. I smile everytime I hear these people mouth off. There’s something about how these people can use modern tech but cannot fathom something that is not within their personal experience.
Yep! Theodore Beale (AKA Vox Day) is cuckoo for cocoa puffs on a lot of subjects.
Russia wanted to debunk this when it happened but instead confirmed the radio signals were, in fact, coming from the moon. They also left a laser reflector up there that people use to this day. So was Apollo 13 a hoax as well?
They left FIVE laser reflectors up there! I’ve actually shot my homemade laser at the moon and seen at least one. You need a fairly powerful laser (mine was a 5Kw pules laser) and a really good telescope.
“There are five primary laser reflector arrays on the Moon, collectively known as the Lunar Laser Ranging (LLR) experiment, which have been operational since the Apollo era and continue to provide valuable scientific data.
These reflectors were deployed by Apollo 11, Apollo 14, and Apollo 15 astronauts in 1969, 1971, and 1971, respectively, with the Apollo 11 and 14 arrays each containing 100 corner cube mirrors, and the Apollo 15 array containing 300 corner cubes.”
So much for figments of my imagination. Oh, and other countries have done this as well. Guess which ones…
Is this not just continuing propaganda designed to further erode our faith in what we believe is The United States of America, pushing the notion that the very Constitution itself is illegitimate and helping to pave the way for replacement by a communist or Islamic One World Order?
Are you being too quick to jump on the groupthink bandwagon when the story appeals to your general and healthy distrust of government?
That may be, yet we really don’t need propaganda to leave us with a damaged perception of the US as it exists now.l; the daily reality of our existence is more than sufficient to do that.
Grissom was right, the capsule was poorly made.
Talk to the older ham radio community about EME (Earth – Moon – Earth), they claim the community used to bounce a laser off the retroreflector, and you could see the reflection with the naked eye. Took a laser and telescope that were not cheap, but still some hobbyists had them.
I have to admit, looking at some of the ‘evidence’, it is pretty hard to come up with an explanation? The other thing I get stuck on is… I mean, look at that thing. It’s bailing wire and gold tin foil! I just have a hard time, in comparison to more modern ‘space faring vehicles’?
The fact I don’t trust the government doesn’t help, and most certainly, at that period of history, they are KNOWN to have been lying and cheating the American people at a rather insane level.
Frankly, I don’t know what to believe, and that should be the most damning thing of all. The trust in government has gotten so low, I wouldn’t put it past them have faked it.
What he said. The fact the notion the moon landings were faked even exists is a damning indictment of the US government for being such a bunch of fucking liars on so many subjects that there can be absolutely zero trust in anything they’ve told us in my lifetime of nearly 52 years. The fact that they sometimes don’t lie doesn’t help their lack of credibility. In fact, it only muddies the waters further. Shame on them for bringing us to this point.
I believe what they say about every moon mission. I have a friend that was part of quite a few of the missions and he’s a man of his word. There will never be as much evidence that we didn’t go as there is that we went.
There is just too much proof to override my belief and anybody can try and change my mind but it isn’t happening. The End.
Best comment I ever heard on the subject was by a comedian (can’t remember the name) who said, “My grandma believes that wrestling is real and they faked the moon landing.”
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So, the US faked the moon landings, and the Russians and Chinese – at the height of the cold war and able to closely track spacecraft – never called them out on it? So, the US faked the moon landings, and not one of the nearly half a million people who worked at some time on the lengthy project ever came forward with proof that it was all faked? Sheesh. Give me a break with this f*****g nonsense.
Of COURSE it was fake! The whole hoax was put together by the same Jew who has been President of the United States since 1960, Shecky Greenbergsteinowitz. He’s also the damn Jew who was responsible for convincing Goyische fools of the Wright Bros hoax, when anybody can tell you that powered fight by heavier-than-air objects is unpossible. That, plus the so-called “Holocaust” was in fact run by a secret cabal of Tribe members, that Hitler (another Jew, of course) is still Chancellor of Germany, and that Russia does not actually exist, and never has. WAKE UP, AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have no problem believing we landed a man on the moon.. My preferred JFK hypothesis is that Oswald did exactly what the gubmint said he did. However there was a second gunman, not nefarious but accidental. A hungover secret service agent fumbled his firearm and shot Kennedy. A simple and logical explanation. Magic bullet or friendly fire?
I don’t put much faith in the moon landing deniers., I also don’t trust our government as far as I can throw my house.
I put no faith in vox day.
My father worked at the nbc affiliate in Houston from 1965 or so until 1990.
He worked the remote audio from NASA Houston Command Center. He worked 12 hours/7 days a week for every Apollo mission.
If it had been fake, someone of the hundreds and hundreds of civilians involved would have said something. No way to keep that many people involved and not leak.
Well maybe I’m naive then. There’s worse things to be. We are capable of truly amazing things when we aren’t busy shooting ourselves in the balls with shit like feminism and diversity. Fact is we’d be on Mars right now if it weren’t for the fucken jews, women and niggers.
To me Vox Day is a stopped click that is right twice a day. But who knows? Given the lies and crap the establishment had been putting out for 50 years I could be full a beans too. I’ve lived most of my life in an age where you can no longer trust anything you see or hear. Not gonna blame anyone for being sceptical…
There’s also the problem with the fact of no/low radiation shielding. Stainless steel, aluminum and gold foil won’t cut it. They would have suffered too much exposure.
We sent equipment there to complete deception. Gear is not people.
My BFF from high school Dad was the HR mgr for NASA in the 60’s early 70’s. I didn’t know this until hanging out in his basement one day I noticed the chotchkees on the walls and shelves. There must have been 50 signed plaques, miniature models, framed pictures of the astronauts (including the Apollo 1 guys). This was the mid seventies. He was the Valedictorian of his Yale class and grew up on a chicken ranch in Nebraska. He liked me because I was a good influence on his oldest son. About that time the first whispers of the faking of the landings were being heard. So I asked him if they were true. He was not working for NASA then, he was the head of HR for Dayton Hudson Corp (think Target) at the time. He said that the rumors were BS. We went and he was responsible for all the personnel at NASA at the time and would have known if any shenanigans were going on. There is too much physical evidence to support otherwise.
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PS: I wish I had asked him for the signed pic he had of the Apollo 11 crew. He had a few versions.
PSS: I’m not a midwit, went to the same university and lived in the same communities as Vox and have an Engineering degree from there.
Phil and CederQ, please knock off this crap. You’re better than this.
And no, I don’t trust the Gubmint. Nor, lately, NASA. Unfortunately.
Trust in government is hard to come by, been that way for awhile. Yes, our government has been less that honest on many topics, I believe this contributes to the assumption that everything is a lie.
I work for a NASA contractor, been there 36 years through multiple contracts. My duties include operating and maintaining antennas and backend equipment supporting space communications. Worked on systems pre-dating the Apollo program through modern day equipment. Support included Shuttle, ISS, Soyuz, and scores of robotic missions.
One night, on a long, boring night shift, many years ago, found the frequencies and settings for the ALSEP packages and proceeded to verify the presence of their downwind.
The ALSEP’s were Apollo Lunar Surface Experiment Packages, that were hand installed by the astronauts on the surface of the moon.
My experiment proved that several were indeed active , and the antenna was pointed squarely at the Moon.
Given the complexity of trying to maintain a lie over a half century that would need to include tens of thousands of people, I find it difficult to buy into the moon-landing denier shtick.
My technical knowledge and experience tells me it is absolutely certain that we landed men on the surface of the moon, and returned them safely to earth.
My childhood memory of sitting in front of the TV in my grandparents house, watching the landing broadcast on 7/20/1969, and the understanding that this was history being made, prevents me from taking the deniers seriously.
My take, for what it’s worth…
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