From Vox Day. Profound behavioral change, we therapists were aware in the 1980s.

https://www.voxday.net.

On the Phenomenon of Male Flight

Martin van Creveld has pointed out the phenomenon of male flight from education and entire professions, repeatedly, for decades. But only now that the higher education system is on the point of complete collapse is anyone else beginning to recognize that it poses a very real and serious problem:

  • In 1969 almost all veterinary students were male at 89%.
  • By 1987, male enrollment was equal to female at 50%.1
  • By 2009, male enrollment in veterinary schools had plummeted to 22.4%

A sociologist studying gender in veterinary schools, Dr. Anne Lincoln says that in an attempt to describe this drastic drop in male enrollment, many keep pointing to financial reasons like the debt-to-income ratio or the high cost of schooling.

But Lincoln’s research found that “men and women are equally affected by tuition and salaries.”

Her research shows that the reason fewer men are enrolling in veterinary school boils down to one factor: the number of women in the classroom.

“There was really only one variable where I found an effect, and that was the proportion of women already enrolled in vet med schools… So a young male student says he’s going to visit a school and when he sees a classroom with a lot of women he changes his choice of graduate school. That’s what the findings indicate…. what’s really driving feminization of the field is ‘preemptive flight’—men not applying because of women’s increasing enrollment.” – Dr. Anne Lincoln

For every 1% increase in the proportion of women in the student body, 1.7 fewer men applied. One more woman applying was a greater deterrent than $1000 in extra tuition!

This points to the underlying flaw in feminism and sexual equality. Men and women are not the same, they do not possess the same average strengths and weaknesses to the same degree, and most importantly, their preferences are different.

Every society faces a fundamental choice. Either deny men what they observably and actually prefer or deny women what they think they prefer in theory. Across the West, the last 60 years have been an experiment in the latter. Women have been given the red carpet treatment in the corporations, in the universities, and even in the men’s locker rooms. Divorces and custodies have been granted on demand. Pregnancies have been prevented. Babies have been aborted. Obesity and ugliness have been celebrated. The churches have been de-doctrinated and literally neutered. Refugees have been welcomed. The insane have been liberated from their asylums.

And yet, not only are women unhappier than they were before being granted their collective societal bucket list, men are increasingly opting out of every form of participation in society. So, unless women are both as willing and as capable as men of performing most of what historically had been male duties, or men are forcibly denied the right to exercise their preferences and conscripted to perform the tasks that women won’t, the choice is between a) societal collapse and b) denying women the right to fully exercise their preferences.

It appears what passes for society in the West has uniformly opted for (a). It’s a bold move, historically speaking. And we can already see how it’s working out for us.

12 thoughts on “From Vox Day. Profound behavioral change, we therapists were aware in the 1980s.

  1. Yet, engineering, comp sci, and physics are nearly all men. Let’s quit cherry picking this crap. The math-based degrees are all men. Let’s go over the skilled trades. How many women? The things that make society go are still nearly all men.

  2. As was so deftly pointed out in the Vox Day post, women got everything they (thought) they wanted, and are now absolutely miserable for it. Men, in turn, have – in large numbers – stopped giving a shit about what women want, or even women in general – as has been borne out by myriad social and economic trends – and are choosing to pull back and do the minimum needed to live for themselves. Yes, this is dyscivic and dysgenic, but again, the men who have opted out just don’t care anymore, we’ve adapted. And more join those ranks everyday, to the point the trend (and it’s knock on effects) are now undeniable, and has a lot of soft people very worried. As well they should be, because the backlash now underway is going to have consequences that they cannot possibly comprehend.

    Speaking only for myself, I was way ahead of the curve in a couple of aspects, first that I took up a trade long before it had even begun to be considered stylish or smart to do so again (and I was swimming very hard against the current of “everyone needs to go to college” at the time). Mike Rowe wasn’t even on the scene yet advocating for the trades, when I chose that path.

    Second was finally throwing in the towel on finding a wife and starting a family. Do I regret that? Well, I regret that society turned to shit right when I was in the prime period of my life to pursue that goal, but it is what it is. I played the hand I was dealt, and after dealing with so much womanly bullshit in my 20’s and 30’s, and seeing the trends in women’s behavior, expectations and delusions definitely weren’t getting any better, I walked away from the whole dating and relationship scene, comfortable in my decision to remain a lifelong bachelor. I’ve come to further value that decision in the last decade.

    Is it possible with more time and effort that I might have found a woman I could tolerate and have family with? Maybe, but 15 years of trying and having to cast off multiple head cases and ball busters was enough. It is far more likely that if I’d caved to social pressure, I’d have ended up settling for a woman who would’ve turned into a shrew in middle age (if not by her early-mid 30’s) and then gotten divorced raped and probably financially ruined. So, I took the road less traveled (15-20 years ago) and kept my ass out of that fire.

    I know myself and my patience (or lack thereof), so could reliably predict I’d not tolerate the sort of miserable marriages that other guys I know have been stuck in. And of course many of them did get run through the divorce grinder, and have never really recovered from it. My decision to forego it all was entirely pragmatic, within the confines of the reality I found myself in.

    Some will say I failed by not establishing a legacy, and maybe they’re right. Thing is, I don’t care about that either. I owe this world nothing, and since I am of a demographic (a White, Christian hetero man) that is now openly despised by nearly every other group in the world, fuck ’em all. I’ll exist for my own benefit, and enjoy the fruits of my labor, but will contribute nothing to a bunch of whiny parasites.

    My lack of investment in society (beyond my modest earnings and productivity mostly for my own benefit) will be the best payback possible, since without outsized contributions to making shit work (and producing offspring to be exploited and enslaved for that same purpose) the whole lousy thing falls apart, and then real men – those who don’t capitulate to women’s bullshit – will dictate the terms of building a new society.

    I doubt I’ll survive to see the rebuilding phase, but at least I’ll not have busted my ass, and been soaked for everything they can take from me by a bunch of goddam ingrates who can’t build, create or maintain sweet fuckall except HR departments and financialization scams. That doesn’t mean I’ve given up entirely on the future. I do things to actively subvert the current system in any way possible, and hope to hasten it’s complete failure, so the stage can be set for something better. Maybe my nieces and nephews can benefit from that somehow.

    For those in the future, the solution is simple: don’t give women (or soft men, or envious, spiteful and culturally incompatible minorities) political power to use against you, because they will, and will start doing so immediately upon being granted such influence.

    The reality is that women, for their part, will always find something to bitch about when they aren’t getting what they (think) they want, or deserve. Just let them, because giving them (whatever they claim to want) will not placate them, they’ll just start over anew with another demand every time they gain some ground.

    If we’d have refused all the demands made by the suffragettes way back when, sure they would’ve kept bitching and agitating, but we could’ve contained the political, social and economic damage they’ve now caused after a century of subverting everything. While true that under the current system, that’s a hopeless pipedream until it burns down, once that happens, a new society dominated and controlled by strong men can be put up. The present one is FUBAR, and cannot be saved.

    • There is no fixing this, Big R.

      Neoliberalism poisons their minds, they start thinking with their emotions and their cunts – and there is no living or dealing with them. All the women in my family are batshit crazy liberals and I just cut them out of my life for the most part. They aren’t happy and they take it out on anyone who is.

    • Your last paragraph sums up the realization that I came to some time ago. The 19th Amendment put this country on a steep downhill slope with both feet on banana peels.

      Now that women have gotten what they wanted, a demasculated society, they’re complaining that there’s no “real men” left in this country. What they haven’t comprehended, yet and may never, is that the real men are tired of their boolchit and now opt to not play their game.

      Their loss.

    • Agree with your last paragraph and what needs to happen is that this train wreck of a society needs to be bulldozed off the tracks. I almost want to see Kamala and the Dems win so that we can get this burned to the ground now and start over. Trump can only delay the inevitable.

  3. Stop beating around the bush.
    Most of them are batshit crazy and if it wasn’t for sex we wouldn’t have a damn thing to do with them

    • And as you get older and the urge to reproduce declines, you’ll be amazed how little bullshit you’ll put up with from crazy women.

    • Pretty much. And sex wasn’t even enough to keep me willing to deal with them for anything more than strictly business. I’ll do service and repair work (within my chosen trade) and happily take their money in payment, but will have nothing further to do with them now.

      I’m fortunate that the women in my close family (mom, sister, sister in law) are all outliers in terms of social and political ideals, so there is little cause for contentiousness there. I have 3 nieces who are all sane (so far) but they are all still in grade school.

      The culture of this dysfunctional hell hole does not bode well for their future sanity of course, even as much as I hope they will not succumb to the bullshit. Beyond them (and that’s a mere 6 women/girls out of the entire world) I just avoid personal interaction with women as anything more than customers who provide my income.

      It’s a damn shame, but I’ve determined that to be in my best interests. We weren’t meant to live like this, but so far I’ve not found a better work around.

  4. I was aware of this change in 1973. I was discharged from the Air Force as a K9 Security Policeman. I could not get a law enforcement job (police, sheriff, trooper) due to color deficient vision. Saw an ad for a K9 trainer in the private sector so I applied. Was turned down since the owner said that he found that women seemed to have more patience with the animals. In the late 80s I was turned down for a promotion since (and they actually told me this) they were looking for a woman to fill the position due to political pressure (it was a public electric utility). I was definitely born too late (1950) to enjoy the prime of this country.

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