About friggen time! Make retroactive!

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  2. I heard them say this won’t be actually decided until October but this is one of the best things to come out of this week. I’ve read several articles but I still don’t understand what this decision means for birthright citizenship.

    • It means nothing. The only thing that happened here was a jurisdictional issue, i.e. that District courts can’t issue nationwide injunctions.

      In the short term, Trump’s EO… uh, I guess it stands, but it’s on shaky ground anyway. Really, there’s ample argument that he’s wrong on legal grounds. I don’t know what’s on tap for October. But it’s likely, based on what I’ve read, that if this gets to SCOTUS, Trump will lose.

      • That’s what I was thinking BUT I disagree with whether he’s wrong on legal grounds. There are just as many arguments that say his interpretation is the original meaning. It just depends on who is interpreting it. When I read it, I can only see that birthright citizenship is only for American citizens.

        • While I agree that the current court has been less inclined to follow precedent, the ruling in Wong Kim Ark seems to be on fairly solid ground. While the impetus was certainly to establish citizenship for former slaves, the drafters of the 14th Amendment could have chosen more restrictive language, but didn’t.

          While there are some interesting, suggestive comments in the opinion, particularly at p.23 ff. (e.g. regarding Marbury v. Madison), in re. the ability of the judiciary to require compliance, I will, for now take these in the larger context, which is still that of universal injunctions by lower courts. The opinion most certainly declared no position whatsover regarding birthright citizenship. But those comments do add a little ammunition to the administration’s eventual arguments if (or when, likely) that issue gets to SCOTUS.

        • “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”

          What’s vague about that?

          • “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” is the main point of contention. Some, e.g. Trump, will argue that it doesn’t apply to tourists, or other temporary visa holders, and therefore not to their offspring, I imagine particularly if it seems their presence here is specifically for the purpose of birthing an “anchor baby”. Additionally, this aligns with Trumps claim that illegail immigrants who are gang-aligned are equivalent to invading foreign agents, aka a military incursion.

      • Dershowitz was on Newsmax the other night saying that SJC will rule 9-0 against Trump’s order. I believe he’s in error. After all, he IS a Demonrat and a staunch liberal. I think he’s actually trying to influence the court’s decision with his pronouncement.

        Based on the opinions that came out on the injunction part of the case, I disagree that Trump will lose on the citizenship portion of the case. Trump will prevail 6-3 or 5-4 based on a strict interpretation of the law and the supporting discussions documented from the Congressional record during the debate at the time.

        Recent precedent here doesn’t in fact matter, IMHO, as the interpretation of the 14th has been co opted, once again and as usual, by the Demonrat party and the sycophant press to use for their own ends, which is to shore up their shrinking base.

        Precedent has been knocked on its ass by this court on more than one occasion and specifically by last year’s Roe v. Wade reversal.

        They’ll scream and cry about “my democracy”, but they will lose.

        The really laughable thing here is the Demonrats, during the time the Fourteenth was debated and voted on in CONgress, were DEAD SET AGAINST allowing African slaves and the children of African slaves becoming citizens. It was the Republican party that got the Fourteenth passed and ratified.

        The really delicious part of the ruling on the injunctions was the absolute incineration of Justice Jackson by Justice Barrett.

        Barrett justly called Jackson an ignorant lazy dolt, in so many words. Another Bribem fiasco appointee that ain’t worth spit. We all knew it, but now one of Jackson’s colleges on the bench has called her out. Priceless!!!

        The sad part is that she’ll continue to be an ignorant lazy dolt for another 20-30 years.

  3. This may almost excuse the recent Israel pandering, IF it pans out. That’s a big if.

  4. Just stop giving them money and they’ll self deport. It really is that simple and all this theatre is pure gaslighting until the money stops.

    • I get your point but I think the immigration issue is a distraction from other crimes that no one will go to jail for. Ukraine is small potatoes.

      The ‘gift’ of a $400 million plane from a foreign king, $billions in crypto and meme coin sales, numerous hotel contracts, million dollar a plate dinners at Mar a Lardo, ($5 million if it’s one-on-one), sold pardons, dropped regulatory actions, and so on.

      Let the hoi polloi get worked into a frenzy about brown people while he rakes in $ billions. As bad as the Demonrats are, they’ve never grifted at such astronomical levels.

      • Look, we already know the Bribem Administration was a bunch of crooks, no need to elaborate their sins here. Stick to the topic, unless you’ve got something productive to say.

        Otherwise, go in the corner and play with yourself.

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